Needham Family

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Origins - Needham's of Derby

 

Needham's of Derby

 

A number of record sources have been used including have been used to describe the origins of the Needham's in Derby including:

A start has been made pulling this information into Family Trees. To date two have been drawn: Derby 4 and Derby 8 and much of the work summarised on this page relates to Needham's that can be found in these two trees. It also needs to be highlighted that little work has been done on the female lines. Why? Well the Study is large and because of this a decision has been made to reduce the scope of the work. As the Needham line is carried through the male line it has been decided to concentrated on the males and neglect the female lines. I know it's not equitable and I do feel guilty about it but I hope you understand. The second point that needs to be made is the help from two people: Andy Parkes and David Butt. They have to thanked for providing a lot of information on their relatives much of which has been used in the Derby 8 tree.

So where do we start. I suppose the first question to ask is:How long have the Needham's lived in Derby? When can we trace them back to? We'll try and answer some of these questions. More correctly it should be said we shall start to answer these questions. Why? because it is believed that some of the records are missing; see Table 1

Early Records

These are records that are either found in The National Archive (TNA) or the Derbyshire County Archive. Both sets of records have been interrogated using their respective search engines. There is one exception and that is the first record. The originals records for the Lay Subsidy are in TNA but these records have now been transcribed by Carolyn Fenwick; this was my source, see Table 1.

The first mention found to date (always added this rider) is Willelmo de Nedham who paid a Lay Subsidy Tax of 4d in 1379. Willelmo paid the tax in Derby. The problem then is there is nothing else I can find about Willelmo or the Needham's until the first entries into the parish register are made in the 16th century. So this begs the question who is Willelmo, where did come from and what happened to him? Time will tell

Table1 National & County Records; Needham's in Derby

Reference

Title

Date

Notes

Fenwick

Willelmo de Nedham paid 4d Lay Subsidy in Derby

1379

Carolyn C Fenwick The Poll Tax Returns of 1377, 1379, and 1381; British Academy

D1955/2/92

Lease for 31 years by Mary Needham of Little Chester, widow, to Thomas Curtis of Derby, butcher.

1638

Mary - thought to be Mary Lenton second wife of Andrew Needham m 1625 Andrew d 1629 with Mary his main heir

 

D2402/A/PZ/7/1

Bargain and sale by Jane Needham of Derby, and Henry her son of Derby to George Merrifield of Clements Inn (Middlesex) of property in Derby, with 25 Sep

1654

Jane (Goulder) married Thomas Needham 1602. Henry oldest child b 1604. Thomas died 1647 & major beneficiaries were Jane & Henry

D2402/A/PZ/7/2

Lease and release (release missing) by Rebecca Needham , of Derby and Thomas Needham of Clifton (Nottinghamshire) to William Needham of Derby of property in All Saints, Derby, property at the nether end of Walker Lane, Derby, 2 barns and barnyards in Walker Lane, parcel of ground in Walker Lane, called Needham's Croft 16 Nov

1691

Rebecca was the wife of Henry Needham d 1664. Rebecca& Henry's eldest child was Thomas b 1640

D2402/A/PZ/7/3

Bargain and sale by Rebecca Needham of Clifton and William Needham of Derby of property in High Street, Derby 11 Feb.

1692

see above plus William was Rebecca& Henry's 5th child

D174/11

Quit claim of an estate in three acres of land in the Little Field in Derby, lately purchased by Thomas Walker from Thomas Needham (Needham-Walker)
24 May

1694

 

D3772/T1/2

4 dwelling houses at Morledge Street, Derby (Brownhill - Standley - Needham - Goodman in trust for Lacey - Strutt). Including
D3772/T1/2/15 Extracted copy of the will of Elizabeth Lacey (1755), 1758
[Formerly Box 1 Bundle No. 1B]

1702

Strutt family of Belper

D1881/48/7

Agreement to levy a fine between Peter Needham and others and Richard Newton the younger of Derby, cordwainer and Ellen his wife, on lands in Horsley and a close in Duffield.

1707

Peter 1655 - 1732

D144/T/30

Assignments by Peter Needham of Derby, cordwainer, to Robert Willmott of Chaddesden in trust for William Cooper of Ockbrook of remainder of 500 year term in lands in Ockbrook, with closes and open field [boundaries recited], mortgaged for £60 by Robert Smedley of Ockbrook in 1711, £60ent by Peter Needham of Derby, cordwainer, to Robert Willmott of Chaddesden in trust for...

1712

see above plus William was Rebecca& Henry's 5th child

D919/C/CT/24

Mortgage by Ann Needham to William Shaw of Derby, baker, for £50, of premises as CT/23.(see CE/11) 24 Jun Finders Keepers 2015 10 23..

1791

 

D919/C/CT/25

Assignment by William Shaw, at the direction of Ann Needham , to James Sparkes of Derby, yeoman, in consideration of £50 paid to Shaw and £110 paid to Ann, of premises as CT/23,for the remainder of the term of 999 years. 16 May

1804

 

D2854

Richard Needham of Derby

1829

Richard Needham of Derby

D2854/1/1

Apprenticeship indenture of Richard Needham , son of John Needham , of the Borough of Derby.

1829

Richard Needham of Derby

D96/1/6/p136

Probate copy of the will of William Needham of Kensington St, Derby micro film M253

1863

Derby Probate Registry

D96/1/13/p203

Probate copy of the will of J ames Needham of 5 Lower Madeley St, micro film M258

1870

Derby Probate Registry

D96/1/15/p795

Probate copy of the will of James Stephen Needham of Derby. Micro film M260

1872

Derby Probate Registry

D5664/46

Title deeds for No's. 10 and 11 Co-operative Street, Derby, including abstracts of title back to 1854 (Derby Co-operative Provident Society/Smith/ Needham /Butterworth/Hazelwood/Russell)

1877

Unidentified

D96/1/24/p198

Probate copy of the will of Sarah Needham of Derby. On DVD352 & microfilm M799

1881

Derby Probate Registry

D96/1/38/p114

Probate copy of the will of Walter Needham of Derby DVD 380 & Microfilm M813

1895

Derby Probate Registry

D6773

Mr Leonard Needham , former President of the Derby Music Club

1900

Mr Leonard Needham, former President of the Derby Music Club

D6773/2

Photographs of Needham family members

1900

Mr Leonard Needham, former President of the Derby Music Club

D6773/2/3

Gladys Alice Needham (nee Woodward), step-mother to Guy Needham and wife o bf Leonard Needham

1900

Mr Leonard Needham, former President of the Derby Music Club

D96/1/47/p428

Probate copy of the will of Benjamin Needham of Allenton, Derby. DVD398 & Microfilm M822

1904

Derby Probate Registry

D96/1/57/p188

Probate copy of the will of John Needham of Derby. DVD 415 microfilm M827

1914

Derby Probate Registry

D96/1/62/p368

Probate copy of the will of Luke Needham of Derby

1919

Derby Probate Registry

D6773/3

Programmes for concert involving Leonard Needham

1924

Mr Leonard Needham, former President of the Derby Music Club

D6773/3/20

Programme for a concert by the Leicester Symphony Orchestra at De Montfort Hall, Leicester, 4 Dec.

1924

Mr Leonard Needham, former President of the Derby Music Club

D96/1/68/p387

Probate copy of the will of Harriet Needham of Derby. DVD 432

1925

Derby Probate Registry

D6762/1

Needham family records connected to Derby Music Club

1936

Derby Music Club

D6773/4

Assorted papers connected to the Needham family

1949

Mr Leonard Needham, former President of the Derby Music Club

D3731/31

I had to be a Musician' by Frank Needham , presented to Kenneth Squire and the Derby Choral Un ion.

1996

Derby Choral Union

 

Parish Records

I've been worried about the parish data I've found for Derby. The early data seems to have gaps. So, I started checking and found more records which worries me even more. So, this set of data must be considered incomplete. When I've reviewed the data I've found that the sources I've used do not have complementary results, I've used three sources and no two sources agree. Subsequently I've used a fourth source and this has turned up more data. It's the first time this has happened in all the parish records I've looked at and it is the only data set to date where images of the original documents have not been available on line to check. In fact, I have not been able to review any image of the parish records or Bishop's Transcripts on line for the Derby parishes. When this has been done in virtually all parishes errors have been found or additional data is available that the transcription hasn't recorded. I will have to review the parish records for Derby which will take some time unless someone can point me in the direction of transcripts for the Derby parishes. For now I'll use what I have but there are likely to be changes as we go forward. You can find these records using the following links: baptism, burial & marriages

Bearing this in mind let's see what we have.The baptism, burial and marriage data found for Derby can be found through the following links:baptism,, burial and marriages. There are five 16th century records of Needham's and variants in the parish records. The oldest is the marriage of Henry Nedham to Ann Wright at St Alkmund in 1568. The following year the first of four children are baptised with a f Henry and presumably Ann is the mother. From the beginning of records the growth in the Needham population has been assessed by measuring the number of baptisms every 50 years, A comparison has been made with the population growth in two other large towns, Sheffield and Leicester, Fig 1. Starting in 1600 the number of baptisms in Derby rises before effectively plateauing in the 50 years up to 1749 and falling to below 40 before almost trebling between 1799 & 1850, Fig1

 

Population Growth with town for three cities

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Figure 1 Growth in population with time

As can be seen in the figure, the population growth of the three towns/cities show different growth characteristics., fig 1. The graph shows the number of Needham baptisms in 50 year time blocks. Sheffield and Leicester show a steady increase in population until1750 then Leicester's population growth flattens while Sheffield's population growth rate increases considerably. By 1850 the total number of Needham baptism's in Sheffield was 316 which is nearly 4 times the number for Derby or Leicester; showing the impact of the industrial revolution on these three towns. From the 16th century to 1850 the number of Needham births in Sheffield was 500, which is double that in Derby and just under three times that in Leicester, Table 2

 

 

Derby

Sheffield

Leicester

<1599

5

2

9

1600-1649

11

0

0

1650-1699

55

4

2

1700-1749

53

33

33

1750-1799

37

145

42

1799-1850

84

316

88

 

245

500

174

Table 2 Number of Needham baptism's

 

 

Baptism

Burial

Marriage

Family

<1599

5

 

1

2

1600-1649

11

5

3

2

1650-1699

55

23

7

12

1700-1749

53

20

18

11

1750-1799

37

18

25

12

1799-1850

84

40

25

15

 

245

106

79

54

Table 3 Baptism, burial & marriage data for Derby

The burial data as expected lags the baptism data. The lag is usually between 1 and 2 generations (typically 25 to 50 years). But in Derby's case the death total up to the 1850 is 106 which is 139 lower than the baptism total and significantly greater than 2 generations. Why? Well for one thing the number of marriages is below one third of the baptism level, As 50% of children born don't reach the age of 21 the maximum you would expect would be around 120 but there are only 79 marriages up to 1850. It may mean that a higher proportion of babies born don't get married or that they get married in another parish. Or there is missing data. Further work is needed.

The final thing to assess is the number of families, a family being at least one adult and one child . There are 54 families up to 1850 which means that on average from the second half of the 16 th century to 1850 there are 54 families which means the average number of children per family is 4.8

From 1841 we can look at census data and find out the number of Needham's and where they were born etc, Table 4. Between 1841 and 1891 the number of Needham's who are resident in Derby varies little and is between 44 and 51 residents when the census is taken, except for 1871 when the number drops to 26. After 1891 the number of residents rises and in 1911 stood at 72. Looking at the parents, particularly the father you find that in 1851 around half (46% to be precise) are not born in Derby. Subsequently the percentage drops to a low of 3 in 1881 then rises again and in 1911 is 16

Year

Residents

Not Derby

% Total

1841

44

na

 

1851

50

23

46%

1861

51

19

37%

1871

26

7

27%

1881

50

3

6%

1891

48

7

15%

1901

76

27

36%

1911

72

16

22%

na = not available

Table 4 Census Data

Wills

To date 13 wills have been found of wills written by Needham's in Derby. A summary of the relatives named in these wills is detailed in Appendix 1

Families

Looking at the parish registers and wills you can identify fathers and children to form family groups and in some cases identify mothers. For families whose father has a birth date before 1650 many of the heads (usually the father) of Needham families, particularly in the early records, do not appear to be born in Derby. Table 6. Let's take a look at the first 12 families.

Table 6 Family Heads

Last Name First Name
birth *
year
family
who/parents Where Comment
Nedham Henrici
bef 1548
1548
1
unknown
Netham Henry
bef 1559
1559
1
same as Henry 1548
Needham unknown
bef 1568
1568
3
Great Longstone
Netham Dorotheae
bef1569
1569
2
f Henry b bef 1548 Derby
Nedham Petrus
27 Jun 1580
1580
f Henry b bef 1559 Derby
Needham Thomas
bef 1583
1583
7
f Henry bef 1548 Derby
Needham Henry
bef 1619
1619
4
Henry b 1604 Derby
Needham Francis
bef 1633
1633
6
Francis b 1623 Great Longstone
Needham Daniel
bef 1634
1634
5
Daniel b 1629 Great Longstone f George b bef1598
Needham Thomas
10 May 1640
1640
8
f Henry b 1619 Derby
Needham John
bef 1642
1642
9
unknown cousin Andrew
Needham John
bef 1668
1668
10
unknown
Nedham  William  
22 Sep 1650
1650
11
f Henry 1619 Derby sp Anne Sowter
Needham Joseph
bef 1657
1657
12
unknown
Needham Henrici,
bef 1664
1664
13
unknown Ann Simpson
Needham Robert
bef 1667
1667
14
unknown
Needham Peter
1655
1655
15
f Henry m Rebecka Derby

 

* = estimated from birth date of eldest child

** - see text

 

Are you surprised that such a large proportion are not born in Derby? Well you shouldn't be. This is the start of the agricultural and industrial revolution when people moved from the land and into factories! The same happened in all the towns/cities looked at to date. So, if they weren't born in Derby where do they all come from? There may be a few clues as we start to summarise the data but these 'clues' could be a red herring.

Lets start with what we definitely know. In 1602 a Henry Netham dies in Derby and in his will he names two sons Peter and Thomas and four daughters : Elizabeth, Isabel, Margeria (Mary?) and Dorothy. Earlier a Henry Nedham married an Ann Wright in 1568 and there are baptisms of a Margesine b 1569, Joan b 1576 and Onesimus (Strange name) b 1584 all with a father Henry and all baptised in Derby. It is considered that these aren't two separate families but one with a father Hey Netham/Nedham b bef1569 and d1602. As Henry married in 1568 it is probable that he married twice, the second of whom was Ann Wright who we have seen Henry married in 1568. Assuming this is correct then Henry had 9 children Peter, Thomas, Elizabeth, Isabel, Margeria, Dorothy, Joanne b 1576, Onesimus b 1584 and Margeria b 1569, although this could be eight children if Margeria and Margesine prove to be the same person. So this appears to be our first family of Needham's in Derby. The next question is do any of these children get married and have families of their own? Concentrating on the male lines there is a Peter baptised in 1580 but no parents are recorded. I suggest this is Peter mentioned in Henry's will. Secondly, there is a family whose head is Thomas who has a wife Jane Goulder and they have 7 children the oldest of whom is Henry b 1603/4. Assuming Thomas and Jane marry at 21 this would mean that Thomas would be born bef 1582/3. Thus, we have the two sons mentioned in Henry's will of 1602. These dates appear to fit with the baptism we know of. The question is why haven't we got more baptism dates. I can't answer that yet. But as stated earlier a review of parish records in Derby is about to be undertaken

But there is always hope. One thing we do know is that Dorothy had a daughter, Amy b 1593. We don't know the father or how old Dorothy was when she had the child. This would be the second family

The next piece of information is a second will this time the person is Andrew Needham who dies in Little Chester in Derby. Andrew was a glove maker and although he died and was buried in Derby he was born in Great Longstone in Derbyshire. His will dated 1629 names four brothers Robert b bef1601, Thomas b bef1589, Thurston b bef1602 and George b bef1598 and a sister Mary. All were born in Great Longstone but from Andrew's will George lived in Derby; and there is a clue that might just unlock where some or all the early Needham's came from. In the Derby parish records there are two marriages involving an Andrew Nedham and I've assumed this is our Andrew. Initially, Andrew marries Cicely Bankes in 1618 and there is a later marriage of an Andrew Needham to Mary Lenton in 1625. For this to happen Cicely must die and because Mary is not mentioned in Henry's will this would suggest that she must also have died before 1629. However, to counter the point that Mary, Andrew's second wife is dead, there is a will for a Mary Needham of Little Chester. Andrew and his wives die without issue. One additional point is we do not know who the father is of Andrew and his siblings. Andrew and his wives constitute family 3; i know this is strictly not a family but surely you can forgive an old man just once. Now the plot thickens. In 1634 there is a will written by a Mary Needham and a month later in June is buried. This would appear to describe Mary, wife of Andrew but unfortunately this is in conflict with the conclusion that Mary is dead because she is not in Andrews will-see earlier-. Lets dig a little further. There are two Mary's born before 1660:Mary Needham f Thomas May 1623 & Mary baptised May 1654 f Francis. If Mary is the one to write the will in 1634, then you would expect him to be named in Andrew's will. To confuse things even further in 1638 land is leased by a Mary Needham, Table 1 and below who is described as living in Little Chester and being widow, Table

Reference What Year who

D1955/2/92

Lease for 31 years by Mary Needham of Little Chester, widow, to Thomas Curtis of Derby, butcher...

1638

Mary - thought to be Mary Lenton second wife of Andrew Needham m 1625 Andrew d 1629 with Mary his main heir

 

This appears to be a good fit with Andrew's wife, Mary. This being the case who is the Mary who wrote the will in 1634. It can't be Mary son of Thomas, too young, but it could be Mary, Andrew's sister

Second Generation

The fourth family has Henry as head. He married Rebekah Walmesly in 1638 in Quorndon, Leicestershire. He and Rebekah had nine children of whom four were female The 5 males: Thomas b1649, Henry b 1644, William b1650, John b 1658 & Peter b 1655 all had families. From the baptism record of the oldest child and the marriage date the birth of Henry must have been before 1617. Assuming he was born in Derby them he must be the son of Thomas and born in 1604. This appears to be a reasonable assumption; unless some baptism's are missing or you know better. Henry wrote his will in 1665, the beneficiaries being his wife Rebecka, daughters: Jane, Anne & Rebecka and sons Thomas, William, Peter & John. Henry his other son died a year earlier in 1664. To back this up there there are two property transactions in the archives involving a Rebecca Needham in 1691 and 1692, Table 1 and below

Document what Year Who

D2402/A/PZ/7/2

Lease and release (release missing) by Rebecca Needham , of Derby and Thomas Needham of Clifton (Nottinghamshire) to William Needham of Derby of property in All Saints, Derby, property at the nether end of Walker Lane, Derby, 2 barns and barnyards in Walker Lane, parcel of ground in Walker Lane, called Needham's Croft 16 Nov

1691

Rebecca was the wife of Henry Needham d 1664. Rebecka & Henry's eldest child was Thomas b 1640

D2402/A/PZ/7/3

Bargain and sale by Rebecca Needham of Clifton and William Needham of Derby of property in High Street, Derby 11 Feb.

1692

see above plus William was Rebecka & Henry's 5th child

Thomas and William mentioned in the documents would be Rebecca's sons. It should also be noted that Thomas is living in Clifton, Nottinghamshire and that Rebecca goes to live in Clifton during 1691/2. This would explain why a burial record for Rebecca cannot be found in Derby

 

The next two families have Daniel b bef1634 (Family 5) and Francis b bef1633 (Family 6) as the family heads . Neither were born in Derby, or it should be stated that no baptism/birth record in Derby has been found. But we have seen that Andrew who was born in Great Longstone had relatives who were also born in Great Longstone. Francis bap bef1623 is the son of Robert and hence the nephew of Andrew d 1629. Francis was the father of nine children all baptised in Great Longstone between 1643 and 1664 but there are big gaps between some births. Francis in Derby had six children and if you combine the children there is a good fit with one exception. A John Needham is baptised in Dec 1659 in Derby while a Petrus Needham is baptised in Apr 1660. This would suggest that Francis b 1623 could not feasibly father both these children but the data needs checking. If it is not Francis b 1623 who is Francis b 1633?

In Daniel's case there is a Daniel bap on 12 Mar 1629 in Great Longstone f George m Elizabeth. The implication is that this Daniel marries and moves to Derby where his son Daniel is born in 1655. He then moves back to Great Longstone, and between 1662 and 1672 they have six children. Daniel dies in Great Longstone and is buried there in Mar 1700. No marriage has been found for Daniel but at some stage he marries a Katherine as two of the baptism records have a Katherine as the mother. If he married Katherine sometime around 1655 it would mean that Katherine had children over a 17 year period which is quite feasible. George, Daniel's father, could be the brother of Andrew. In his will Andrew states a George Needham is living in Derby at the time Andrew writes his will ie 1629 and his brother George has a son Arthur. Not surprisingly there is an Arthur bap in 1622 in Great Longstone f George. From the information available Andrew has a brother George who has sons Arthur and Daniel. George is living in Derby at the time Andrew writes his will and this may be why his son Daniel, some years later is living in Derby. So we have some evidence to support Daniel the father of Daniel b 1655 in Derby is the son of George and Katherine.. More needs to be done on this

The seventh family is headed by Thomas who must be born before 1583 and he married Jane Goulder in 1602; they had seven children between 1604 and 1627. Thomas died and was buried in All Saints Church in Sep 1647. Before he died he wrote a will naming his wife Jane, son Henry and daughters Mary and Jane. All this fits together with the baptism and marriage records but who is Thomas and where does he come from? There are two possibilities: the first one is that Thomas is the son of Henry b bef1548 ie he is Peters brother. The second is that he is Andrew's brother and was born in Great Longstone. We know that this brother was born bef1589. There is a reasonable fit of dates but there are two sets of baptisms that make this improbable, so it is believed that Thomas is the son of Henry b bef1548. After Thomas died his wife Jane along with her son Henry sold property in Derby, Table 1 and below

Document what Year Who

D2402/A/PZ/7/1

Bargain and sale by Jane Needham of Derby, and Henry her son of Derby to George Merrifield of Clements Inn (Middlesex) of property in Derby, with 25 Sep

1654

Jane (Goulder) married Thomas Needham 1602. Henry oldest child b 1604. Thomas died 1647 & major beneficiaries were Jane & Henry

Finally,there is Peter. He was born and baptised in Jun 1580 in Derby f Henry and brother of Andrew. He doesn't appear to have lived, or married or died in Derby. Because Peter had no children or wife(s) he does not qualify as part of a family

Third Generation

Family eight is headed by Thomas b 1640 the son of Henry & Rebekah. It's unclear, at present, who his wife is but he has a boy and a girl Francis b1663 & Rebekah b 1660, respectively. To date it would appear that Rebekah died 2 years later in 1662 but nothing concrete has turned up for Francis.

Family 9 is one of those worrying families. Its head is John Needham for whom, to date, no obvious baptism, marriage or burial record has been found. He had four children and at least three were boys: John b1663, John b 1667 & Charles 1674. There is a record for a fourth child but no Christian name can be identified. There is no obvious records for any of the survivors John or Charles. From the children's births you'd expect John to be married before 1642. Now Andrew d 1629, in his will, mentions a cousin John. Could this be John?

The next family is that of John and Ellen - family 10. They married and between 1689 and 1693 they had three girls (Ann, Elizabeth, Mary) and a son Joshua b 1693. John married Ellen Pitt in Nov 1688 in Derby. Other than that, things are blank for the three girls but Joshuah marries Hannah Brookhouse in1715 and they go on to have a family. The question is, who is John? You would expect John to be baptised bef 1668. From the Derby records there are two possibilities John b Mar 1665 & John b May 1667 f John

Family 11 is William and his wife Anne Sowter who marry on 5 Oct 1675 . They have three girls; Ann, Rebekah, and a second Ann and three boys George b 1677, Henry b1686 and William b 1689. Both Henry and William marry and stay in Derby and have families, George needs more work. William is the middle son of Henry and Rebekah.

This brings us to another problem as the head of Family 12, Joseph Needham does not come from Derby, Anyway, he marries and Joseph and his wife have 11 children from 1677 to 1699. There are 10 yes ten sons and a single daughter. At least two of the sons (John b 1678 & Henry b 1692) marry and have families. But who was Joseph and where did he come from? There is one possibility so let's investigate.

Joseph could be expected to be born bef1656. In Great Longstone. There is a Joseph Needham, b Jan 1658 f Francis. Great cracked it. Unfortunately, there's also a burial record for 1662 following the death of Joseph son of Francis. So, we are no further on

The next two families are similar to family 12. The first is that of Henry and his wife Ann Simpson, family. After their marriage in 1685 they have five children baptised between 1685 and 1699 consisting of 4 boys: Joseph b1685, Henry b1688, Gulilemus b1691, and Johannes b1699 plus a solitary girl Sarah b1688. There is no obvious candidate but in Derby there is a Henry b 1644 f Henry unfortunately it appears he dies in 1664. Three Henry's born outside Derby have been found; they will be evaluated

The second is a family headed by Robert, family 14. He has one daughter Jane b in 1688 thus you would expect Robert was born at or before 1667. Again there is no obvious candidate but within 20 miles there are a number of Roberts to be evaluated

Next is family 15 whose head is Peter. Peter is thought to be the son of Henry and Rebecka and was baptised in Sept 1655 at All Saints Derby. He married and between 1690 and 1723 he and his wife had up to 8 children: 4 boys : Thomas b 1690, Peter b 1692, George b 1700 and Henry b 1708 and 4 girls Elizabeth b 1694, Ann b 1697 Sarah b 1706 and Eleanor b 1723. However, because Eleanor was born 15 years after Henry it is likely that Eleanor is the daughter of Peter b 1692, Peter b 1655 second son.

So, we've dealt with the first 17 families and one thing it highlights is that for a high proportion of the family heads (usually the father) no baptism date has been identified ............yet.

The people just described mostly provide the base for the Derby 4 tree

But other work has been done and a second tree pulled together to form the Derby 8 tree . Lets see what this brings to the party. It's worth detailing this if for no other reason than the work has been completed.

Family Trees - The Needham's of Derby

The first tree is the Derby 8 tree and the first family in that tree has Henry b 1743 as its head. Before starting, there is a need to thank a couple of people who have contributed to the information and detail in this tree.  After this tree was first published separately both Andy Parkes and David Butt made contact and they have to thanked for providing a lot of information on their relatives much of which has used in the Derby 8 tree.

1. Descendants of Henry Needham 1743 - Derby 8 Tree

This family line starts with Henry Needham b1743 f Henry m Mary but who were Henry Needham, the father, and his wife Mary?

David Butt suggested that Henry may be the younger brother of Lazarus of Portlocks, Findern whose father is John Needham 1721-1775. However, there is no recorded evidence to support this suggestion and without this there is a need to evaluate other alternatives. The date for Henry's birth comes from the year date of the his first born child minus 21. Why? In this period you needed to be 21 to marry so taking 21 from the eldest child's year of birth gives you the latest year Henry could have been born. As Edward was the first born in 1764 then Henry would have been born before 1743

There is a record of a Henry Needham bap 11 Feb. 1727 in Derby who is buried in 1810. Currently, there are no other records of a Henry baptised in Derby until Henry bap Jan 1772. After this the only other record for a birth of a Henry is Henry bap Dec 1796 f Henry b 1772 m Mary. You can see that in the 18th century Henry is not a common first name in the Needham family in Derby.

To date outside Derby in England there are three records for births of a Henry Needham b 1733+/- 10yrs:

  • Henry bap 10 Jan 1730 f John m Sara, St Paul's Covent Garden Middlesex (St Paul's Cathedral London)
  • Henry bap 11 Jan 1731 f Thomas m Mary, Barkby Leicestershire
  • Henry bap 30 Aug 1745 f Thos (brusher) Sheffield

These three need to be checked but my view is that Henry  born before 1743 is probably Henry bap 1727 the son of Guilemus (bap in 1702 ) and Sare. It would appear Henry is a twin because on the same day Johannes is baptised whose parents are the same as those of Henry.

Henry b 1727/1743 marries a Mary and they have four children, three sons: Edward b 1764, Henry b 1772, Thomas b 1775 and one daughter: Ann b 1768. Of the three sons Edward dies young, 1773, Henry marries and as we shall see goes on to have children which leaves Thomas b 1775. It's unclear what happens to Thomas. There is the marriage of a Thomas Needham to Elizabeth Easom in 1796 but there is a Thomas b 1770 which could be the person that marries Elizabeth. If it is our Thomas then he and Elizabeth go onto to have three children but as they are all daughters the line goes no further

1.1 Henry Needham1772-1836 & Margaret Stenson

So, it was left to Henry b1772 to keep the Needham line active. And he and his children were up to the job. Henry was baptised in 1772 f Henry m Mary at St Alkmund in Derby. He married Margaret Stenson 1794 and they had four children baptised in Derby between 1796 and 1806 before Esther was born in London in 1809, Thomas in Leicester before returning to Derby where Charlotte was born in 1813. Why did he move away from Derby? The only reason that springs to mind is that they are looking for work. Henry like his father, also called Henry, was a pipe maker but despite moving around he couldn't have proved successful as he died a pauper in 1836 and was buried at St Werburgh Church in Derby. But he was successful in carrying forward the Needham line

1.1.1  Henry Needham 1796-1857 f Henry m Margaret

Henry was the oldest son of Henry (1772-1836) and Margaret and was baptised on 20 Dec 1796. After his father died in 1836 it would appear that his son Henry lived with his mother in Short Street, because that's where he's found in the 1841 census. Henry was deaf, which probably explains why he was living with his mother at the age of 45. Like his father and grandfather Henry was a pipe maker and was a Freeman of Derby. His mother died in May 1842 and six months later Henry marries Frances White ne Moseley, a widow, in Duffield, but they do not have children. In 1851 Henry and Frances were living in Belper but they soon moved back to Derby because in 1853 he was a material witness in an election fraud case, admitting to having been bribed (two sovereigns) to vote for candidates Horsfall & Bass in a parliamentary election for the Borough of Derby (reported in the Derby Mercury 16 March 1853), Fig 2. The Agent took the blame with the candidates saying they knew nothing about it. A likely story. He died on Brook Walk without issue in 1857

 

Fig 2 Summary of the enquiry into Parliamentary Fraud in Derby - Derby Mercury Mar 1853

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1.2 Stephen 1803-1880 f Henry m Margaret

An interesting character. Like his two elder siblings he was baptised at St Werburgh (Apr 1803) and like his father and elder brother he became a pipe maker.

In 1827 he married Martha Moggridge and they had a daughter Charlotte two years later. But by 1832 the family had moved to Belper where their son James Stephen was born. In 1841 Stephen was still a pipe maker living in Duffield. Then came a change because in 1951 he was living with his wife Martha on a 2 acre farm in Corse, Gloucestershire. By then his two children had left and were married. Why did Stephen move to Stigend?

in the 1840's Derby and Belper was a centre of Chartist activity and Stephen must have been part of the movement. In 1847 the Snig's End estate in the northeast of the parish of Corse in Gloucestershire was acquired by the National Land Company, which established a Chartist settlement. It was the third of the Chartist estates. Some seventy people or family groups shared plots of two, three or four acres each. Stephen and a W Colston both from Derby were among those successfully obtaining land. By 1848 a school-house and 85 cottages had been built. These single-storey brick cottages, of the same design as on other Chartist estates, had four rooms and a front with a central pediment or low gable. The settlement was not a success, and the tenants resisted paying their rent; the National Land Company was dissolved under an Act of 1851.

In 1853 a number of the chartists at Stigend, including Stephen, claimed that they should be classed as freeholders and be included on the voters list. Their claim was thrown out, Fig 3.

Fig 3 Gloucestershire Chronicle Oct 1853

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stephen and Martha remained at Stigend until Martha's death in 1873. After that Stephen returned to Derby where he died in the Union Workhouse in 1880

1.2.1 James 1832-1872

James was the only son of Stephen and Martha who died aged 40 in Full Street, Derby, in 1872. Although born in 1732 he wasnt baptised until 1847 age 15. James worked on the railways and incommon with a number of railway employeeshe moved round.In 1841 he livedon Swinnet lane in Derby, by 1861 he lived on Oxford Street in Litchurch and 10years later he lived on North Street in Openshaw Lancashire. he had my dream job - an engine driver! However, on his death in 1873 hr was living on Full Street Derby and was an Innkeeper - my second dream job. Before he died he wrote a will leaving everything to his wife Elizabeth. James & Elizabeth had 6 children, three boys: William b1857,Fredrick James b 1864 and Frank G b1870 and three girls: Charlotte b 1861, Elizabeth b 1867 & Clara Martha b1868. You can find details in the Derby 8 tree

1.3 Luke Needham 1806-1867 (f Henry m Margaret) sp Martha Elley

A sad story. Luke was Henry and Margaret's third son, born in 1806 in Derby. In 1825 he married Martha Elley in Derby and between 1826 and 1845 they had six children: four boys and two girls. When he married in 1826 he was described as a turner and was still a turner in 1841. But things were changing and 10 years later in the 1851 census he was described as an engineer. As we shall see Luke and his son Thomas establshed an engineering and foundry business and so moved away from his ancestral occupation of pipemaking.

Then in 1858 he travelled to Australia alone, to work in the mines. He left his wife and six children in the UK and it would appear never saw them again. Why did he leave? Perhaps we will never know. Nine years later he was dead. At an inquest in Jun 1857 in Bendigo, Australia found that he fallen from a cart in a mine. Six hours later he'd died from shock due to injuries to his head and bowel. There was evidence that he'd been drinking. More details are given in Apprendix 3

He died intestate and no one was willing to administer his affairs despite being owed £18 by the mining company. What a sad story. But it begs the question: "how did the family find out what had happened to Luke?

1.3.1Walter 1826-1826

Walter was born in Jan 1826 in Agard Street , baptised on 1 Feb 1826 at St Werburgh's, died on 15 Dec of the same year and was buried in St Werburgh's church yard. Not a good start to marriage for his parents

1.3.2 Thomas 1827- 1901 sp Sarah Bull

see below

1.3.3. Walter 1829-1894

Walter was the son of Luke and Matha Needham but he wasn't the eldest son ! That accolade fell to the feet of an older Walter who was born and died in the same year - 1826. This Waltermarried Hannah Meller in Jun 1853 in St Mary de Castro, Leicester. For all his working life Walter was a publican at anumber of pubs around Derby. Walter and Hannah had 9 children 6 girls and three boys: Walter b 1860, John b1862 Henry b1868. Walter died at The Star Inn on Siddals Rod in Derby in Dec 1894 and is buried in Nottingham Road Cemetery

3.4 Luke 1836-1914

You have probably realised that this Luke has a father ,Luke (1806-1867) and a son called Luke (1861-1917); and to complete the line a grandson called Luke (1892-). Because of this there can be confusion as which Luke was living where, which Luke was involved in which court case (yes they were in court). because of this the detail of the life and activities of the three Luke Needham's have been summarised separately and can be found by clicking on this link which will take you to to appendix 2 and you will learn where Luke lived, his trade directory entries and his court cases! It makes interesting reading. Note some documents refer to Luke as Luke Henry Needham

Luke was born in Apr 1836 and married Jemima Winfield in May 1856 in Mansfield. They had 8 children:

  • Henrietta 1857-1908
  • Georgina 1859-1938
  • Luke 1861-1917
  • Margaret 1863-1934
  • Martha 1864-1865
  • Martha 1866-1932
  • Squire 1869-1924
  • Albert 1873-1943

Detail are given in the Derby 8 tree

1.4 Thomas Needham 1811-1886 sp Ann Hines

Thomas was the youngest son of Henry& Margaret Needham and was born in Leicester on the 2nd Jan 1811 and baptised on the 10th Jan 1811 at St Margaret's church. In 1831 he married Ann Hines in Leicester and between 1832 and 1852 they had 12 children; 5 girls and 7 boys  

For all his married life he lived on Agard Street and up to 1861 he had carried on his father's occupation as a pipe maker. But this was a time of change and opportunity and by 1871 he was a greengrocer at 9 Agard Street. However, sometime before 1881 he stopped working in the shop and became a labourer at the local colour works. Five years later he died on the 9 Jan 1886 and was buried in Nottingham Road Cemetery on the 13 Jan 1886. His children were:

  • Thomas 1834-1871
  • Harry 1836
  • Stephen 1838-1845
  • Samuel 1847-1859
  • James 1849-1901
    • James was born on and lived on Agard Street all his life. He started life working as a pipe trimmer and after he married Millicent Hillsley he became a labourer They had 10 children
  • Walter 1850--1853
  • Luke 1852-1926
    • Luke lived with his parents on Agard Street even after he was married. Eventually he and Elizabeth moved into their own house after daughter Alice was born. He followed his dad into the colour works as a labourer before becoming a gas fitter's labourer (a sign of the times and the impact the industrial revolution had on lives). He died in Jul 1926
  • George 1855-1856

Details of the live and times of Thomas's children can be found in the Derby 8 tree

1.3.2 Thomas 1827- 1901 sp Sarah Bull

This is the story of how a family moves into an industry created by the industrial revolution. Thomas & his father Luke 1806-1867 set up the Nuns Street Foundry, an engineering/foundry business which after Thomas's death in 1901 his son his son Luke ran the company. But we are getting ahead of ourselves .Thomas was the second son of Luke and Martha and was born in Oct 1827 in Derby. However, the eldest son, Walter died aged 10 so Thomas became his father's heir.

In 1841 Thomas is living with his grandma and Uncle (Henry) on Short Street while his parents are living at Willow Place. Why this is I don't know but it's not uncommon. He marries Sarah Bull in 1849 and in 1851 he and Sarah are living with Thomas's parents on Garden Street along with their first child Elizabeth who was born in 1850. In 1853 their son Luke was born and by 1861 they were living on Curzon Street. From 1871 to 1899 they lived on Nuns Street

In White's Directory of 1857 there is an entry Needham & son Millwrights & Engineers on Brooke Street along with records for Luke and Thomas Needham, Fig 4. The Luke in question can only be Thomas's dad - Luke 1806-1867 which would appear to confirm that it was Luke and his son Thomas that established the Company Needham & son and not Thomas and his son Luke. Too many Luke's

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fig 4 Entries in White's Directory 1957 for Needham &son and Thomas and Luke Needham

 

An earlier directory in Glover's History and Directory of Derby published in 1849 has a record for a Luke Needham millwright; this is clearly Luke 1806-1867, Thomas's dad. As we know in 1858, Luke (1806-1867) goes off to Australia, for whatever reason, and Thomas continues with the business.  

Before 1861 Thomas was living with parents on Garden Street and was married to Sarah. He called himself a fitter. In 1853 son Luke was born and as we shall see Thomas must train up his son Luke 1853-1919 who becomes a fitter then an engine fitter before taking over as Managing Director of the Nuns Street Foundry. But we are getting ahead of ourselves . The 1861 census has Thomas and family living in Curzon Street; he was still called a fitter but they moved again and in 1871 Thomas and his family can be found at 49 Nuns Street, living with him is his son Luke. Thomas is now calling himself an engine fitter, as is his son. It's worth pointing out that petrol engines were not yet invented so the engines in question probably refer to steam powered engines. There was a big demand for them as the industrial revolution was in full swing and skilled engineers were in demand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fig 5 Places the Needham's lived in Derby

When Luke marries in1875 the marriage certificate describes both Luke and his dad as machinists.

Thomas continued living at 49 Nuns Street until after the 1881 census. However, something has changed because the census of 1881 says he is employing 6 men but he's still an engine fitter. His son, who lives next door at 48 Nuns Street is also calling himself an engine fitter. This appears to suggest that father and son were working together to supply a service to install, maintain and repair these engines. If this were the case they would need support engineer machining facilities to make or turn or plane materials so that they could replace worn or defective parts and/or improve the operation of the engine

But the business is not standing still, by 1891 Thomas has moved away from Nuns Street and is living on North Street and is now calling himself an Iron Founder The implications for this change are quite profound. He was an engineer and machinists now he has expanded into foundry work and needs melting and casting facilities. For this he needs a different set of skills in his workforce. Expanding in this way would make their business offering much wider and they could now tackle bigger engineer issues and hence expand the business. As we shall see by 1900 he has 30 employees and the business is called the Nuns Street Foundry

But what of his son, Luke? I can't find him in the 1891 census despite his son Albert Edward being born in Apr of 1891. He could have traveled abroad. There is an L Needham with his wife H? Needham plus a child R (Reginald) Needham on a boat back from Natal in 1898; but that's speculation.

In 1893 when Luke's son Luke dies, the family are living at 122 Nuns Street. As we have seen Nuns Street is an old Street on which an ancient Nunnery was sited, Appendix 3 shows where Nuns Street is, where the nunnery was and the type of houses Luke lived in.

As they moved into the 20th century Thomas's wife dies in 1900 and a year later Thomas himself is dead (d 11 Feb. 1901). The Derby Daily Telegraph called him a 'Derby Iron Founder' who was "for upwards of 40 years the proprietor of Nuns Street Foundry". If this is correct it would mean Thomas acquired the business or established the business on Nuns Street around 1861 some 4 years plus after we know the company, Needham & son started. Now this may be wrong but we do know that in 1857 Needham and son were located on Brooke Street and we do know that in 1861 Thomas and son Luke were living on Curzon Street and by 1871 on Nuns Street. Thomas' father, Luke, left for Australia in 1858 and died out there in 1867 and we know that he had established the company with Thomas - hence the name Needham & son. So it is feasible that the company moved into premises on Nuns Street from the second quarter 1861. As we have seen by 1871 Thomas was living on Nuns Street. Describing his wife's funeral, the Derbyshire Advertiser said that 30 employees of the Foundry were at the funeral. But how successful was the business? There appears to be nothing in the Trade Directories, newspapers etc about the company. It would appear that unlike most entrepreneurs Thomas kept his light under a bush. There are no articles at all about him, which is unusual. An indication of the success of the company comes from Thomas's will. His estate was valued at £1559 (equivalent to £204K in 2021 ) which would suggest that he was not a dynamic businessman. Further there appears to be no information, adverts etc about the business

A couple of months after Thomas's death when the 1901 census was taken Luke was back living on Nuns Street (but at number 138). He is described as a mechanical engineer and now an employer. Ten years later he is an Iron Founder so, clearly, he has taken over as head of the company his father started with his grandfather. When Luke died in 1919 his estate was valued at £653 9s 9d (equivalent to £36K in 2021) so it would appear that the business went into decline after Thomas's death.

What happens next? No idea. The best bet would be either it closes, or is sold or one of Luke's sons takes over. Thomas Edward, Luke's eldest son, goes onto be a Works Manager of a Heavy engineering company. Unfortunately this does not appear to be Needham and son.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fig 6 Derbyshire Advertiser & Journal 12 Jan 1900. Fig 7 Derbyshire Advertiser & Journal 15 Feb. 1901

1.3.2.1Luke Needham 1853- 1919 M Harriet Roome

Luke is the only son of Thomas and Sarah and was born in 1853. After Thomas's father left for Australia in 1858, Thomas and subsequently his son Luke were the driving forces behind the Nuns Street Foundry. A summary of the time line of the Foundry is given in appendix 6. Again we are getting ahead of ourselves.

Luke lived with his parents in Curzon Street and Nuns Street until his marriage to Harriet Roome in 1875. it is clear he followed his father profession into the world of engineering and the family business - Nuns Street Foundry- see Appendix 6 for details. Once married Luke and Harriet had a large family, initially thought to be 10 children but now known to be 11. In the 70's and 80's they had 5 children: Sarah b 1876, Florence Gertrude b 1880, Thomas Edward b1883 Luke b 1886 & Martha Ann b 1889. But initially this wasn't known because the census return for Luke, Harriet and their family for 1891 hasn't been found. Very mysterious - see appendix 4 for an explanation. In summary in Jan. 1893 an 8 year old boy - Luke Needham - died when his night shirt shirt caught fire. His father was Luke Needham a labourer of 122 Nuns Street. The boy was buried in his grandfathers grave ie. Thomas Needham's (1827-1901) family grave on the 14 Jan 1893. It must have been a traumatic time for the family

In Q3 1886 there is the birth of Luke Needham m Roome in Derby. This means Luke was 7 when he died not eight as reported. One thing I can't explain is why Luke's father Luke was described as a labourer when he was an engineer? And why is there no census return? Well in 1891 to be precise on 1st April 1891 Albert Edward was born. This is the time that census returns were collected and might be an explanation as to why no return can be found

After Albert Edward was born , Luke b 1893 & Reginald in 1896 followed before Doris was born in 1901. Luke's father Thomas died in 1901 and there appears to be about 30 employees on the company. Luke subsequently appears to have run the company until his death in 1919 - see appendix 6

 

1.3.2.1.1Thomas Edward 1883-1962

Thomas Edward was Luke and Harriet's eldest son. He was an engineer who became the works manager of. a heavy engineering company. It doesn't appear that he continued with the Nuns Street. Foundry. In 1912 he and a colleague took out a patent for  brick making

Thomas Edward married in 1907 to Carolina Worroll and had two children. The youngest Reginald T Needham was a refrigerant engineer - so carried on the family engineering theme (5 generations)

1.3.2.1.3 Luke 1886-1893

Born in 1886 tragically after his shirt caught fire and he died from his burns - see appendix 4

1.3.2.1.4 Albert Edward 1891-1960

Albert was born in 1891 and became a bank clerk. In 1915 working in Matlock for the bank he joined up and went to France with the Expeditionary Force in Nov 1916. Subsequently he joined the Royal Flying Corp in Se[t 1917. He married Maud Shackell in April 1916 in Derby. They appear to have had no children. after the war he went back to the bank. In 1939 he was still a Bank Manager but was now in Royal Lemington Spa - a very prestigious role. He appears to have retired to Hampshire where he died in 1960. It is worth noting that there is a second Albert Edward Needham b 1891 f Thomas m Ellen, who married a Maud - Maud Vesty ne Noon in 1932

1.3.2.1.5 Luke 1893-1964

Luke is the fourth son of Luke and Harriet who was born in 1893 the year his older brother died when his clothe caught fire. He lived with his parents until he married May Hardy in 1922.. They had one son kenneth b 1924. It was unfortunate that he had a series of serious car accident - see summary in appendix 5. In 1915 a child ran out from between parked cars and died after being hit by a taxi driven by Luke; he was exonerated of blame. But in 1921 he was convicted of drink driving after a second accident whilst driving a taxi. By 1939 he was a coke delivery driver. . Finally in 1940 he was fined after being found guilty of a further accident. He died in 1964 in the DRI in Derby

1. 3.2.1.6 William Henry1894-1897

Some people believe that William Henry and Luke are  twins. This can't be the case as William Henry was born in 1894 and Luke in 1893. However, William Henry died aged 3 in 1897

1.3.2.1.7 Reginald1896-1975

Reginald was the youngest of Luke and Harriet's sons. He joined the Royal Navy in 1916.After the war he married Elsie Smith and they had a daughter, Betty, but no male heirs. By 1939 he was a foreman mechanical engineer. He died in Derby in 1975

1.3.4 Luke 1836-1914

Occasionally some trees have Luke as Luke Henry Needham, however, he was baptised Luke not Luke Henry.

Luke is the youngest son of Luke and Martha and although born in1836 he was baptised in 1837. It is no surprise that he became an engineer. He lived with his parents in Derby until he married Jemima Winfield in 1856 in Mansfield. Why Mansfield (nb a mining area & mines need engineers! Or was Jemima his wife in service in Derby?)? Luke and Martha's first two children - Henrietta and Georgina - were born in Derby but then they move to Oppenshaw, Manchester, still calling himself an engineer (census 1861) where he has four more children Luke b 1861, Margaret b 1863, Martha b 1864 and a second Martha b 1866. A summary of places Luke lived at is detailed in appendix 2. The four children were born at Leigh Street in Openshaw and at this address a Luke Needham was a beer retailer according to Slater's Directory of Manchester & Salford, Table. Well there's a surprise an engineer selling beer. In my experience engineers buy not sell the stuff. By 1871 he had become an engine fitter and continued in this roll past 1881

Then a further surprise. Squire is born in 1869 but not in Openshaw in Stirchley, Kings Norton which is south of the centre of Birmingham. In the 1871 census Luke and Jemima are still living in Kings Norton but now calls himself an engine fitter. A further son, Albert, is born in 1873 with an address of Ten Acres, Stirchley. Sadly Jemima dies in 1881 and is buried at Stirchley. Why go into all this detail? Why because on Pershore Road in Selly Oak / Northfield there is a butcher called Luke Needham; he's there from 1873-1880. And there's more. In 1876 a butcher and provisions dealer called, yes you've guessed it, Luke Needham applies for a beer licence - sound familiar. And that is not all, because in 1877 a Timber Merchant and Sawyer, files for bankruptcy with liabilities of £2000 (£248000 in today's money), proprietors Luke Needham and Thomas Brown. Now Luke's son Luke marries a Thomas Brown's daughter. The addresses in given in the Trade directories, Census and court documents are all in the same area, appendix 2

Then a further surprise. Squire is born in 1869 but not in Openshaw in Stirchley, Kings Norton which is south of the centre of Birmingham. In the 1871 census Luke and Jemima are still living in Kings Norton but now calls himself an engine fitter. A further son, Albert, is born in 1873 with an address of Ten Acres, Stirchley. Sadly Jemima dies in 1881 and is buried at Stirchley. Why because on Pershore Road in Selly Oak / Northfield there is a butcher called Luke Needham; he's there from 1873-1880. And there's more. In 1876 a butcher and provisions dealer called, yes you've guessed it, Luke Needham applies for a beer licence - sound familiar. And that is not all, because in 1877 a Timber Merchant and Sawyer, files for bankruptcy with liabilities of £2000 (£248000 in today's money), proprietors Luke Needham and Thomas Brown. Now Luke's son Luke marries a Thomas Brown's daughter. The addresses in given in the Trade directories, Census and court documents are all in the same area.

In 1886 a Luke Needham, a farmer in Wolverley was found guilty of neglecting 13 oxen and 7 heifers on his; he wasn't feeding them. Now Wolverley is not far from Upper Arley so I'm presuming that Luke in this case is our man. In the same year a Luke Needham was sued for professional services. It doesn't say what these services were.

After a couple of other cases in Mar 1990 Luke sold stock before, in 1891, a Luke Needham a butcher and farmer of Wolverley Salop was declared bankrupt.

In 1901 he's living in Wolverley and that is where he dies in 1914. It would be interesting to know how he got into these scrapes and how he recovered (if he ever did) from them. Of course I've made the assumption that the Luke in all these cases in Luke b 1836-1914. But some could be his son also called Luke.

Luke's children are:

  • Henrietta 1857-1908
  • Georgina 1859-1938
  • Luke 1861-1917
  • Margaret 1863-1934
  • Martha 1864-1865
  • Martha 1865-1932
  • Squire 1869-1924
  • Albert1873-1943

Details of the lives of each is given in the Derby 8 tree

1.3.4.3 Luke 1861-1917

See Appendix 2 for summary of data on where Luke lived, trade directory entries and court

.Luke was the eldest son of Luke and Jemima who was born in Openshaw in 1861. At 10 he was living with his parents in Kings North and 10 years later he married Adeline Brown (daughter of Thomas) and he was operating as a fruitier in Aston at the time of the 1881 Census. His first three children: Maud b 1883, Leonard b 1884 and Thomas b 1886 were all born in Kings Norton but their fourth child, Robert was born in 1886 in Arley, William Stanley in 1890 and Edward Mountson in 1890 both in Worcester and finally Luke in 1892 in Kiddant. In 1891 the census records him living in Mary Street in Balsall Heath, in 1901 in Cleobury Mortimer and in 1911 by himself butchering in Bristol. Besides moving around a lot he also had a habit of turning up in court. In the most serious case Luke was accused of libel but he was eventually acquitted. The criminal register gives Luke's age as 29 in July 1890 which means he was born in 1861 ie it was Luke born 1861.

In 1889 a case of libel was brought against a Luke Needham over an article published in the Wellington Journal regarding the terms of the tenancy of a farm owned by Captain Baldwin Chides. The case was sent to the County Court where a year later the case was heard. Although the newspaper articles say Luke lost the case the damages paid were so small Luke effectively won the case. Officially he was acquitted

Luke died in 1917 in Wolverley. What you can say is that he move-d around a lot, had children but was always a butcher. Like his father he had an affinity with the courts. In 1992 he was in a brawl involving his brother Albert and for selling meat unfit for human consumption, although the latter charge was withdrawn. In 1893 and 1899 he had two claims brought against him which he paid and in 1896 he was fined for not sending his children to school. Makes you wonder whether you'd buy meat from him. It would appear he wasn't a good father or a good farmer

Luke and Adeline's children are:

  • Maud Adeline 1883-1898
  • Leonard Luke 1883-1966
    • Leonard was a leading light in the DerbyMusic Club, Table 1
  • Thomas Henry 1884 -
  • Robert 1886-
  • Lawrence 1888-
  • William Stanley 1890-
  • Edward Mountson1890-
  • Luke 1892-
  • William Henry 1894-1897

For additional details on each of the children go to Derby 8 tree

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